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It's been awhile since I did a stamp... or uploaded pretty much anything. But eh, my stamps usually come from frustration I've had.

No, I really don't care what your religion is. You have the right to practice it and everyone should respect that. You think your religion should be involved in secular choices? I believe you are wrong, but that's your opinion. Opinions are not facts. However, factual information that can be proven are facts, whether you want to believe in them or not.

I have seen so many people reject the theory of evolution, or just science in general when it conflicts with their religion. I just don't understand. I know there's a stamp with "evolution is not a matter of belief!" and I'm cool with that, so I'll make this stamp broader. Whether it be evolution, the age of the earth, or whatever, that is SCIENCE. Not fake things through in by atheists to disprove religious worship. It's 2 + 2 =4. It can be tested, and proven with the tests. That is fact. You may say "but it's a theory, it's not a fact!" which is true. We cannot see a slideshow of our evolutionary history over the past millions of years. We cannot SEE it. That's what makes it a theory. Are there things we can use to prove links and connections? Yes. DNA testing, the mapping of the human genome, anatomical studies, carbon dating and so forth.

For anyone who doesn't have the simplest sense of biology I can understand why they'd be ignorant on the topic of evolution and seem why it could be a bit out there. But believe me, there is evidence. And you cannot reject that evidence just because your religion contradicts it.

Putting more of my own opinion here now: you CANNOT get your beliefs involved with secular affairs, such as public education. Part of me died when I heard an AP biology student complain that Darwin was taught because she doesn't believe in it. Part of me died knowing an AP bio kid in my class stated that he only believed in evolution "for school".

This is real stuff. This has factual evidence. You have the right to think what you want, but you cannot argue that there is no facts. And please, don't get it involved with secular affairs.

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kittipet Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2016
True thing.
Frisby-2007 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2016  Student General Artist
I have seen so many people reject the theory of evolution, or just science in general when it conflicts with their religion.

Yet those are the same people who use all the technology provided to them by science, as well as atheists & gays (see: Tim Berners-Lee, aka the creator of the world wide web). They love what science gives them, but not the questions it asks about their bullshit fairy tales.

Evolution & science are not beliefs, either you understand them or you don't. And if one tries to debunk or criticize something they don't understand at all, then frankly I see them as no less of idiots as Kirk Cameron, Ken Hamm, & Ray Comfort (and these are some fine quality kind of idiocy in the world). This is also evident in those who don't understand what theory even means in science (to them: a guess). According to some of them, in order to be convinced that evolution is real (which it is regardless of what they say) one animal must shit out a completely different animal instantly; since waiting for an animal to actually change over a long course of years is too much.
RedTurtledragon24 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2015
Actually I'm Catholic and evolution dosent really conflict my beliefs
NatureAndDragons Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Another thing is when people say
"It's only a theory and if you can't prove it, it's not real!"

Excuse me but
I'm pretty damn sure there's no solid "facts" to prove your God's existence either, no offense
NyxTheDarkGoddess Featured By Owner Edited Nov 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They also don't realize that the word theory has a different meaning in science.
NatureAndDragons Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
nixthedarkflamequeen Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
RCDeschene Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015
With all the psudo health, drug and product articles out there making science claims, it makes me wounder! XD
Science is too big a village to make general exclamations like the above one about it.

Cosmology nowadays, for example, is more like metaphysics and a math-based theology than science.

Linguistics nowadays, for example, is arrived at that point where  all we supposed to know is very unsure and conditional. For example, we can't define the concept "proper name" anymore.

Quantum physics turned to harm the ancient law of "Excluded Third". The theory contains logical contradictions, so by what norms could be it called 'science'? Even Von Neumann himself, who managed to establish the most up-to-date mathematical formalism of it (HIlbert spaces), wrote in a letter that he is very sceptic to it and "for some years, I can't believe in Hilbert spaces any more."

There is no signle branch or school of modern philosophy of science which would admit that sciences are the direct mappings of World Truth into our brains. Instead of these naive beliefs, modern metascience is dominated by sceptic schools like (simple or classic) constructivism, social constructivism, Strong Theory, knowledge sociology, feyerabendism, and so on.

Summary: Do you think science is no matter of a belief? You're wrong. You are the believer of the ideology called scientism. And no, you are not on the good side. Science is no matter of beliefs? Of course it is.
GarasuKitsune Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think this is more about proven science rather then
the more difficult quantum or metaphysical phenomena.
For example the existence of gravity, electro-magnetism,
atoms, entropy or refraction is pretty much definite and
not a matter of belief. People can have different opinions
on science but there's still a correct answer even if we
don't understand what it is yet. Even if the laws that
we've made surrounding the aforementioned items are
not perfectly precise the things themselves still exist
regardless of what we think.
Ewillbkilledbitsch Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2015
"existence of gravity, electro-magnetism,
atoms, entropy or refraction is pretty much definite and
not a matter of belief."  - the existence of gravity maybe is not a matter of belief, but yet the exact nature of gravity it is.

The existence of electro-magnetism or atoms are in themselves a matter of belief. for example, atoms don't exist that way like we often think them to be. "Atom" means "indivisible", and they were thought to be little balls moving around each other in the early 19th century. However, we all know that they are divisible  they built up from little particles like protons and quarks. And we also "know" that they are not little balls, they are something between a ball and a wave. So the common concept of "atom" is just a mental constuction for something far more complex, for something we undoubtly doesn't understand fully, doesn't at all.

But if we doesn't understand something, we have no real knowledge about it; we got just hypotheses. And hypotheses are something we have faith in them. Yes they are the matter of beliefs; it is probable, ot at least very possible that scientists will believe very different things about them, considering those things that they believe about them nowadays.
GarasuKitsune Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Atoms are devisable and are not just balls but they do still exist
whether or not you believe they do. The reason for that
representation of an atom is to simplify it and make it easier to
explain to those with less knowledge on the subject; if you head
straight into describing electrons as excitations of a quantum
field, barely anyone will have a clue as to what you're going on
about. Even if they're not exactly what we currently think them
to be, these things exist, we've seen them, they are still there.
I agree that the nature of the existence of such things can be to
an extent subjective but the very fact that they exist in one form
or another is truth. It's the same with anything really, take
christianity for example, me believing in it won't make it any
less true or any more false, the universe cares not about opinions
and caries on regardless. Your faith and beliefs only affects your
actions and subsequently matter in the universe but not the laws
that govern it.
DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2015
Well, it's not the absolute truth either.
VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
True. There is no such thing as absolute truth.
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Garrulous-Sama Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i'm of catholic faith, but i love science because of how it shows the workings of our every day world. i grew up studying chemicals, biology, that kind of stuff, and if anything, it doesn't contradict my faith but creates a beautiful reinforcement of how much love and care god put into the world. it's a little weird for me to explain sdlfjkg
but yeah! on the subject of evolution and intelligent design, that's something that's still a bit of a gray area. however, i'm of the mind that both theories are correct in a sense (read: big bang theory) and so on and such.
anyways the point is!! science is science and faith shouldn't get in the way of that ahah)
FunnyFurryFox Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Me: Doo dee doo -on the internet-
Then a while rabid Christian appears
RC: Lol! We didn't see the Big Bang and we didn't see something evolve! So how do we know it's real?
Me: Well there is a lot of scientific evidence
Me: Umm so is God
Me: Umm God doesn't really exist but if you believe it then it's cool but don't dis the evolution theories please
Me: Excuse me!? I have spent pretty much half my life learning about prehistoric animals and evolution and I saw cold, hard factd
Me: NO! The bible is just a BOOK! A BOOK! That some insane man wrote because he thinks there was a giant person in the sky and if God was real then astronauts would have found him by now
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soulessone12 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014
Generally when it comes to science and religion I tend to try to put the two together (as in using science to solve the mysteries of Gods work and how he achieve them)
waterfuzzy Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed :D I believe that SOMETHING created us, but not necessarily with a personality. 
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PsixiTheRaven Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm quite touchy and defensive when it comes to my faith and being a Catholic, but somehow science never bothered me . . . *shrugs* I don't understand the problem. Science only convinces me in my faith. It proves it, not the opposite.
Nutcase9 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2014  Student General Artist
Unfortunately, though, there are people who treat science like a religion. The ones that refuse to understand that knowledge can be dangerous or that there are things that science isn't qualified to deal with.
Vectrexoscope Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed, one UNDERSTANDS science.
Afradite Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I believe in both science and my religion! :lol:
silverybeast Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012   General Artist
I always want to facepalm when fellow atheists go around announcing stuff like "I only believe in science" or "science is my religion"
And then there's the extremely religious people who claim that creationism etc is science, or that because science isn't always 100% accurate it's all lies.
Aetherya Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you dig a bit deeper it IS a matter of belief... since you are believing in the objective reality. ;)

And reasoning is a part of human mind, no one can completely occlude objective reasoning from their nature. Which is why even the most religious of people feel the absolute needs to "rationalize" their beliefs in a (quasi) scientific way.

If anybody truly did not believe in science they will not even get offended by it. The people that do, ironically, are admitting their own shortcomings in that department.
Prussian-Gilbird Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2012  Student General Artist
I like you. :3
gogomo12 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconfistbumpplz: thank you sir
science rules

for it is fact

not myth
Eve-Francesca Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I agree completely and you rock for making this stamp! ;) =)
xPine Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Eve-Francesca Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You're welcome! =D
UniversalKiwi Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
I go onto youtube and people are having debates about this on almost every kind of video. Love this stamp.
xPine Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you!
nosferatrix Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I was raised Catholic, and even though I am now Buddhist, when I was, I believed that God had created evolution. The whole Adam and Eve thing just sounded like too much bull. Mainly due to the fact that it ignores real population genetics, where a certain minimum number of genetically divergent individuals are needed in a gene pool to maintain a healthy genetic diversity over the generations. For humans it is an estimated 497 individuals although 1,000+ is preferred. The general rule of thumb is the "50/500" guideline — that a population founded by 50 genetically diverse humans in isolation would last about 2,000 years before inbreeding did them in, while 500 or more stand a chance of lasting indefinitely so long as all of them reproduce and no major disasters wipe out a significant part of the gene pool during that time (although as with everything else involving genetics, this is a gross oversimplification and varies greatly with the conditions encountered).
BlackMage-13 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
It really shouldn't be. I watch an intelligent video on YouTube and expect similarly intelligent comments. When I see something like "I'm a Christian and I still believe in evolution," it brings me a sense of hope. Then some Atheist(more likely an anti-theist) comes along and tells them that their being contradictory. Why do some people not want things like this to work?
LittleSnowyOwl Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I hate it when people say "but sciencez are jst thery, thar iz no pr00f!!!!1!!" because there's no proof that their beliefs are true either -.-' course, there's no proof that all science is right either, but at least there's evidence
xPine Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Science is based on facts. It can be proven. Whether we consider ANYTHING real is deep philosophy shit and...I'm not really debating that here haha. I'm not saying evolution is #1 the cause of everything and completely right, but there ARE facts you cannot deny.
LittleSnowyOwl Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, science. Why don't people ever acknowledge you?
Assechan Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
well said!

science=fact, religion=belief

i don't believe in any religions, and some people call me atheist...i don't care though, they can believe in their gods and stuff, but i'll always love science and all the facts it has! biology is a really beautiful subject, it needs moar luv :heart:
xPine Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You don't need to have a concrete belief of label to be a good person, as long ans you're tolerant! And science is cool. :D
BeastlyBeats Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It's common knowledge that nothing can possibly be established with absolute certainty and that science is in general a list of facts believed to be correct at any given time. Because nothing can possibly be established with absolute certainty there can be no facts, though that does appear to be semantic non sense, it is still quite true. Long story short, regardless of what anyone (even yourself or I) says, next to everything is a matter of belief. (The exception being everything percieved at the present time to each individual.)

Let me sum this up again: Science has been wrong before, science will be wrong again. Plossible is not fact, nor are things that are generally accepted as fact. (Which science is a part of.) Meaning it is belief.
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