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No, it's not by xPine No, it's not by xPine
It's been awhile since I did a stamp... or uploaded pretty much anything. But eh, my stamps usually come from frustration I've had.

No, I really don't care what your religion is. You have the right to practice it and everyone should respect that. You think your religion should be involved in secular choices? I believe you are wrong, but that's your opinion. Opinions are not facts. However, factual information that can be proven are facts, whether you want to believe in them or not.

I have seen so many people reject the theory of evolution, or just science in general when it conflicts with their religion. I just don't understand. I know there's a stamp with "evolution is not a matter of belief!" and I'm cool with that, so I'll make this stamp broader. Whether it be evolution, the age of the earth, or whatever, that is SCIENCE. Not fake things through in by atheists to disprove religious worship. It's 2 + 2 =4. It can be tested, and proven with the tests. That is fact. You may say "but it's a theory, it's not a fact!" which is true. We cannot see a slideshow of our evolutionary history over the past millions of years. We cannot SEE it. That's what makes it a theory. Are there things we can use to prove links and connections? Yes. DNA testing, the mapping of the human genome, anatomical studies, carbon dating and so forth.

For anyone who doesn't have the simplest sense of biology I can understand why they'd be ignorant on the topic of evolution and seem why it could be a bit out there. But believe me, there is evidence. And you cannot reject that evidence just because your religion contradicts it.

Putting more of my own opinion here now: you CANNOT get your beliefs involved with secular affairs, such as public education. Part of me died when I heard an AP biology student complain that Darwin was taught because she doesn't believe in it. Part of me died knowing an AP bio kid in my class stated that he only believed in evolution "for school".

This is real stuff. This has factual evidence. You have the right to think what you want, but you cannot argue that there is no facts. And please, don't get it involved with secular affairs.

#makesshittystamps
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Garrulous-Sama Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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i'm of catholic faith, but i love science because of how it shows the workings of our every day world. i grew up studying chemicals, biology, that kind of stuff, and if anything, it doesn't contradict my faith but creates a beautiful reinforcement of how much love and care god put into the world. it's a little weird for me to explain sdlfjkg
but yeah! on the subject of evolution and intelligent design, that's something that's still a bit of a gray area. however, i'm of the mind that both theories are correct in a sense (read: big bang theory) and so on and such.
anyways the point is!! science is science and faith shouldn't get in the way of that ahah)
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FunnyFurryFox Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2015  New member Hobbyist General Artist
YES!!
Me: Doo dee doo -on the internet-
Then a while rabid Christian appears
RC: Lol! We didn't see the Big Bang and we didn't see something evolve! So how do we know it's real?
Me: Well there is a lot of scientific evidence
RC: GAWD MADE ALL DIS!! EVOLITIN JUST A BELIEF!!1
Me: Umm so is God
RC: GAWD ESITS!!
Me: Umm God doesn't really exist but if you believe it then it's cool but don't dis the evolution theories please
RC: BUT IT IS FAKE!!!!!
Me: Excuse me!? I have spent pretty much half my life learning about prehistoric animals and evolution and I saw cold, hard factd
RC: BUT THE BIBLE SAYS-
Me: NO! The bible is just a BOOK! A BOOK! That some insane man wrote because he thinks there was a giant person in the sky and if God was real then astronauts would have found him by now
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soulessone12 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014
Generally when it comes to science and religion I tend to try to put the two together (as in using science to solve the mysteries of Gods work and how he achieve them)
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waterfuzzy Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed :D I believe that SOMETHING created us, but not necessarily with a personality. 
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soulessone12 Featured By Owner 19 hours ago
YAY \(^.^)/ high five Big Fool Emoji-28 (High Five YES) [V4] 
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PsixiTheRaven Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm quite touchy and defensive when it comes to my faith and being a Catholic, but somehow science never bothered me . . . *shrugs* I don't understand the problem. Science only convinces me in my faith. It proves it, not the opposite.
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Nutcase9 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2014  Student General Artist
Unfortunately, though, there are people who treat science like a religion. The ones that refuse to understand that knowledge can be dangerous or that there are things that science isn't qualified to deal with.
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Vectrexoscope Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed, one UNDERSTANDS science.
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Afradite Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I believe in both science and my religion! :lol:
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silverybeast Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Student General Artist
I always want to facepalm when fellow atheists go around announcing stuff like "I only believe in science" or "science is my religion"
And then there's the extremely religious people who claim that creationism etc is science, or that because science isn't always 100% accurate it's all lies.
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Aetherya Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you dig a bit deeper it IS a matter of belief... since you are believing in the objective reality. ;)

And reasoning is a part of human mind, no one can completely occlude objective reasoning from their nature. Which is why even the most religious of people feel the absolute needs to "rationalize" their beliefs in a (quasi) scientific way.

If anybody truly did not believe in science they will not even get offended by it. The people that do, ironically, are admitting their own shortcomings in that department.
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Prussian-Gilbird Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2012  Student General Artist
I like you. :3
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gogomo12 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconfistbumpplz: thank you sir
science rules

for it is fact

not myth
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Eve-Francesca Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I agree completely and you rock for making this stamp! ;) =)
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xPine Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks!
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Eve-Francesca Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You're welcome! =D
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UniversalKiwi Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
I go onto youtube and people are having debates about this on almost every kind of video. Love this stamp.
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xPine Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you!
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nosferatrix Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I was raised Catholic, and even though I am now Buddhist, when I was, I believed that God had created evolution. The whole Adam and Eve thing just sounded like too much bull. Mainly due to the fact that it ignores real population genetics, where a certain minimum number of genetically divergent individuals are needed in a gene pool to maintain a healthy genetic diversity over the generations. For humans it is an estimated 497 individuals although 1,000+ is preferred. The general rule of thumb is the "50/500" guideline — that a population founded by 50 genetically diverse humans in isolation would last about 2,000 years before inbreeding did them in, while 500 or more stand a chance of lasting indefinitely so long as all of them reproduce and no major disasters wipe out a significant part of the gene pool during that time (although as with everything else involving genetics, this is a gross oversimplification and varies greatly with the conditions encountered).
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BlackMage-13 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
It really shouldn't be. I watch an intelligent video on YouTube and expect similarly intelligent comments. When I see something like "I'm a Christian and I still believe in evolution," it brings me a sense of hope. Then some Atheist(more likely an anti-theist) comes along and tells them that their being contradictory. Why do some people not want things like this to work?
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LittleSnowyOwl Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I hate it when people say "but sciencez are jst thery, thar iz no pr00f!!!!1!!" because there's no proof that their beliefs are true either -.-' course, there's no proof that all science is right either, but at least there's evidence
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xPine Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Science is based on facts. It can be proven. Whether we consider ANYTHING real is deep philosophy shit and...I'm not really debating that here haha. I'm not saying evolution is #1 the cause of everything and completely right, but there ARE facts you cannot deny.
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LittleSnowyOwl Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, science. Why don't people ever acknowledge you?
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Assechan Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
well said!

science=fact, religion=belief

i don't believe in any religions, and some people call me atheist...i don't care though, they can believe in their gods and stuff, but i'll always love science and all the facts it has! biology is a really beautiful subject, it needs moar luv :heart:
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xPine Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You don't need to have a concrete belief of label to be a good person, as long ans you're tolerant! And science is cool. :D
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BeastlyBeats Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It's common knowledge that nothing can possibly be established with absolute certainty and that science is in general a list of facts believed to be correct at any given time. Because nothing can possibly be established with absolute certainty there can be no facts, though that does appear to be semantic non sense, it is still quite true. Long story short, regardless of what anyone (even yourself or I) says, next to everything is a matter of belief. (The exception being everything percieved at the present time to each individual.)

Let me sum this up again: Science has been wrong before, science will be wrong again. Plossible is not fact, nor are things that are generally accepted as fact. (Which science is a part of.) Meaning it is belief.
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xPine Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I hate to be blunt, and truthfully I understand what you're saying, but I'm going on society's principles of logic. Things that can be proven in our realm of thought and our society today. Belief is the ideal that it is true, not necessarily it be be proven. People can believe in a higher power and anything they want-- that's fine and dandy. I just have issues when it is forced over provable facts.

Religion has never been right, science has never right, with your logic nothing can be ever right. Which is true, in a way, but this conversation is far too philosophic for what I'm trying to say.
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fizzing-dragon Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012  Student General Artist
Yes! Finally I have found a stamp about this.
I think the problem is people misunderstand the word 'theory'. There are two meanings, the first being the meaning you think of. A concept or idea about how something works or functions. In science a theory is a concept that has been PROVEN by experiments and testing. For example, other theories are the theory of gravity and the theory that the Earth is a sphere. Many years ago people didn't believe either of these but science proved that objects are pulled to the centre of the spherical Earth. And today if you said you didn't believe in gravity you would be laughed out of the room. Because just be dropping an object you can prove it. And just by showing fossil evidence of changes in animals, you can show evidence of evolution. I've seen no evidence of 'God did it' because there is none.
So well done for being one of the few humans that can use logic. :)
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xPine Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly! It's nice to see you understand. Thank you for your feedback!
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Tetrigon Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011
Evolution is a fact. The theory is just there to explain how it works just like with gravity, atoms and bacteria which are also facts with supporting theories. I find it to be incredibly stupid that anyone would try to discredit any science by pointing out that it is supported by the most accurate descriptive model available.
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xPine Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Same, pretty much.
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TheInimitableECypher Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Speaking as someone who believes in God, but is a scientist to the core, I absolutely agree with this.
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xPine Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm glad you understand then! :D
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Dreamcasts Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd like to think that God created evolution. How that relates to Adam and Eve, I don't know :shrug:
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xPine Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I find that the more logical approach, and don't see anything wrong with it. I believe the Roman Catholic Church made a statement on that too.
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Fawnflight Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I LOVE YOU. :heart:

I mean, I understand if religious people want to keep their own beliefs or whatever, but you can't just say, "well, that's your opinion" to someone who believes in evolution - because it's not an opinion, it's a FACT. I also hate it when they say that science is just a "theory" - right, because your personal beliefs are MUCH more reliable than centuries of scientific studies. But excuse me, science is just a theory.

I also feel this way about global warming.
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xPine Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
you put it better into words than I could lol

I...really don't get it. I don't really know how to explain this without saying my belief but obviously there's a contradiction there. You might want to rethink what you believe in? And I don't mean one scientific fact is going to shatter your personal faith, I mean just not go around and say science is wrong and refuse to believe it.

I hate the "it's just a theory" argument. Everything is theory until we can actually see it taking place.
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Fawnflight Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know, there's nothing wrong with having beliefs and a religion, it just annoys me when they don't have a good argument and just resort to the old "it's just a theory" point.

Religion is just a theory, too.
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Animegirl300 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I DUN BELIEVE IN SCIENCE BAWWW :D

[But I do think that Science isn't always right :3]
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xPine Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
It has it's flaws, nor can it answer everything, but you can't deny it.
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Animegirl300 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well~ You CAN ... if you feel it isn't backed up enough.. but it'll depend on the situation at that point.
[Happens all the time: Scientist may argue over certain ideas they have for certain things at any given time xD]
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xPine Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, true. But I'm not talking about those kind of situations xD;
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nattleszami Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yeah its pure fact....mostly
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BobcatAngel Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2011  Student General Artist
That's funny, because my science teacher taught me the total opposite. He said, "As you will see, from even a brief look at history, science is fallible. Things that scientists once held true have later been shown to be quite wrong. That's the nature of science...As time goes on however, many of those mistakes will hopefully be corrected, and we will come to a better understanding of the nature of creation."
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Tetrigon Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011
Those mistakes do get corrected... that's how theories are formed.
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BobcatAngel Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011  Student General Artist
But until they're a scientific law, it's nothing's really set in stone, is it? I was just never taught this way in school. :shrugs:
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Tetrigon Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011
Also you are right about the nothing set in stone thing. Theories are constantly being tweaked as new information is presented. For instance, since we're already on the topic of evolution, lamarckism to natural selection but that doesn’t make the theory (evolution) false. It just means it wasn’t as accurate as previously thought and was made more accurate.
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Tetrigon Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011
It has laws and is one as a result. =|

Law 1: organisms pro-create (reproduction)

Law 2: The offsprings characteristics will be varied (mutation)

Law 3: Some organisms do not live to reproduce (extinction)

Result: Over time the variation of sucsesive generations can exagerate certain characteristics to the point of being something completely different, ergo, evolution.
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Animegirl300 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thiss :D
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xPine Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Science is constantly changing, as well as our perception of the universe. We build on what we already know. If you drop a ball, it'll hit the floor. That is a fact. Did we know why the ball hit the floor at first? Of course not, but it's not going to change the fact of what happened. Of course there's mistakes in science, but they're mistakes from the perception of our results. There are still results and testable facts.

Do we know why evolution occurred? Do we know the common ancestor? Do we know everything about it? Of course not and hopefully we'll find out eventually. But this doesn't make the other evidence not true just because we refuse to believe in it. That's what I'm trying to say.
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